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Location: Roselle Park, NJ. | Watching NSC that just finished I have to say we do have an amazing sport, that deserves to be bigger than it is, our athletes deserve a lot more recognition than they get, Now, I think that Miguel Jose, Joey and everyone involved are doing an amazing Job at what they are doing, but lets not forget that this events are made to get mainstream USA into our sport, with that said I'd like to say what I think from the point of view of a regular Joe, who doesn't know nor care about speed skating.
* the first thing that come to mind: too much down time in between... I think that could hurt nsc... we want to be like nascar... they go for a mililon laps, people are watching the cars go by, go... have a beer ... come back, they are still going around, the action is still on! they go take a leak, come back its still on... we need less down time.
* Time trials: for skaters and skating lovers only! I love to watch the time trials, but then again I've been skating for the past 23 years, of course I love that, but if I were to watch a race? no way would I like to see a time trial, maybe two people, but after the first three it just gets lost in translation....
* The Announcing... not the best, we need Bob Justice there, he can't make it? then maybe Charlie from ATL he does a great job announcing the 10K classic, I think you need a kick A$$ DJ not just an average one, NOT to take anything from amazing Joe Colozo, but you need pro's to look like a pro specially to sound like one.
* Start of the races .. should be done by the announcer, not a monotone speaking starting referee... take your marks... boring you need to get the crowd on their feet!
* Track used: The NIRA track should be used in the races, by far more exciting to watch!
* number of racers: the races have too few racers in them, specially the sprints.
* I know this one will cause more controversy than it already has, but why does the NSC need a wheel sponsor? I think that we need the best of the best out there racing to make the debut of our sport into a bigger stage, why handicap the start of something great with this restrictions? every pro in the circuit should be good enough to have wheel sponsor, if this is true, then let skaters race with whatever they like best or whatever their sponsor gives them, that will make it more interesting! I think if everyone feels 100% in what they are wearing then it will make for much better racing overall, now if Hyper is paying and arm and a leg for that, then that would make sense!
* NSC is made to attract big companies to sponsor the skaters and the circuit, if this is true, why are not sponsor logos on the uniforms plastered all over like in nascar? what would a sponsor have to gain from sponsoring an athlete in NSC?
I know that being a critic is an easy job, putting stuff together is tough, believe me I know, but I also know that if all of us come here to this open forum and express what we think, maybe Miguel Jose can read and consider some of our points maybe something better comes out of it that helps NSC be what its mean to be! I see it going in the way that it needs to be, I for one have bought the live feed the past two events and plan on doing so every time! I love the sport and love this chance that Miguel Jose is giving our sport to shine! I hope everyone comes together and help him and his organization put speed skating in the map the way it so deserves!
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Location: Lynnwood, WA | One note...They were all on Atom's this time. |
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Location: Tulsa OKlahoma | I agree with Francisco, NIRA oval track is the way we should race. Much more exciting and safer.
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| I'm still pulling for a pod cast or downloadable video. 11 AM on the East Coast is just too late a start to hang in there for me.
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Location: Albany, Leesburg, GA | j4805 - 2010-01-23 6:37 PM
I'm still pulling for a pod cast or downloadable video. 11 AM on the East Coast is just too late a start to hang in there for me.
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The company (TMR) that made the online viewing possible, could sell downloadable video and split the proceeds with NSC. There are a lot of people who missed the race Saturday. The objective is to make the whole enterprise a viable business model in the long run.
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Location: Hickory nc | With it being on a saturday it is not that much of a issue. I think they did do a better job with this one then the second one. There was some dead time but not as much as the first event. I enjoyed watching the 100 meter time trial, but I think it should be from a dead stop. I also agree that it should be ran on nira as it will give more lanes of passing.
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Location: Houston | excelsk8 - 2010-01-24 12:47 * NSC is made to attract big companies to sponsor the skaters and the circuit, if this is true, why are not sponsor logos on the uniforms plastered all over like in nascar? what would a sponsor have to gain from sponsoring an athlete in NSC? NASCAR teams have to go out and get their own sponsors, but they can't use a sponsor that butts head with the NASCAR title sponsors. You won't have an ATT or Verizon car when Sprint/Nextel is the main sponsor unless they were there already when the new title sponsor comes on board.
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Location: Austin, Texas | excelsk8 - 2010-01-23 10:47 PM
* I know this one will cause more controversy than it already has, but why does the NSC need a wheel sponsor? I think that we need the best of the best out there racing to make the debut of our sport into a bigger stage, why handicap the start of something great with this restrictions? every pro in the circuit should be good enough to have wheel sponsor, if this is true, then let skaters race with whatever they like best or whatever their sponsor gives them, that will make it more interesting! I think if everyone feels 100% in what they are wearing then it will make for much better racing overall, now if Hyper is paying and arm and a leg for that, then that would make sense!
I think the wheel restriction is a good thing. If there are no restrictions it is just another organization like all the others. A lot of main stream if not all main stream motor racing sports require all competitors to wear the same wheels. It has been stated by Miguel and Joey....it creates an even playing field. |
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Location: Roselle Park, NJ. | even playing field? so if you are really comfortable in matters and someone else thinks matter's suck, then how is that even playfield? also the races are in the same rink all the time, this guys are pro's they can figure out what wheel would work best for them, whoever loves the wheel that the organization provides will have an advantage. that is not an even playfield for me at all. I loved hyper when everyone loved matter, I hated them back then could not skate on them for anything. it happens to many people, pro's or not.
Also I have no clue about nascar as I have never watched it, and I only mention it as it has been mention, I think until million dollar contracts come into skating we have to make sure we grow the sport as a humble little sport, we can not have the rules nascar has, just because we like to be like nascar. |
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Location: Roselle Park, NJ. | ncspeed I loved watching the time trials, just dont think that they are going to be what the average joe wants to see or relates to. |
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Location: Pennsylvania | The Payment thing could be more friendlier, I missed the races because it wouldn't take my debit card. And I used 2 different types of debit cards from 2 different banks.  |
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| I remember watching the first one in November on live feed and thinking a LOT of the same thoughts that are being posted on here about this event. Everyone that was actually at the Initiation kept telling me what a success it was and how many people showed up to watch. I found that VERY hard to believe.. until I attended this event (tribulation 1) they had this weekend. I promise you- people came in BUNCHESSS to watch this event. The rink was absolutely packed with non-skaters and there was a lot of energy in there. Obviously, that energy is not making its way entirely across the internet and onto your computers. Joey and Miguel are their own biggest critics and are completely aware of that. One big reason that the live feed hasn't been that fulfilling is because the audio being fed to the online viewers is coming exclusively from the emcee's mic. It doesn't sound natural. It would be like watching a comedian on television but you only hear his voice, not the laughs, cheers, and boos. Imagine watching a football game for 3 hours but you only get to hear Joe Buck and Troy Aikman's voices- no hits, no cheers, no nothing. They (Miguel and Joey) captured some AMAZZZZING footage of some great racing. Those tapes and the accompanying audio paints of much clearer picture of what actually went on there. Identifying the problem and curtailing it before the next event in March is further proof that these guys are fully aware of what needs to be tweaked, scrapped, or added. Have faith- the best is yet to come ;-)
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| I think a lot of the success will depend on the follow up and hype after the event. So far there have been no results posted, site not updated and for those that couldn't make it that date/time, there are no pictures/video yet. People are interested right after the event, not days and weeks later, keep the buzz alive by posting as much as you can right away and show folks what we missed out on. How about replay capabilities? Results? |
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| The footage should be available on the website sooner than later. I'm super excited to see what people think about it after they chop it up and do some editing. It was shot in HD and from many different angles. It's amazing to see our sport portayed this way. Also, like I mentioned in the previous post- the audio from those cameras paints a MUCH clearer picture of what it was actually like there. The crowd was large and at times- very, very loud. The live feed unfortanetely made the viewer believe I was just talking to myself, lol. Again, Miguel and Joey are aware of this and are motivated to make it a more intimate experience for the people who can't make the trip.
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Location: Albany, Leesburg, GA | funkydudel01 - 2010-01-24 3:19 PM
How about replay capabilities? Results? Replay and charge for it. I would be very happy to watch the entire event from start to finish. Having a more flexible time frame would attract more people from the East Cost, Midwest, Europe and Asia. Do not forget the international audience!
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| About the wheel issue. Many people say that one person may be comfortable on some wheel versus another. That may be the case for some, but most of the pros that are skating these events can skate their best on any wheel that works. As long as it grips and rolls, they can skate fast on it. That is one thing that many of these guys have learned to adapt to while skating. Many of these skaters have been on sponsor teams when they were in the initial phases of wheel testing, and have had to make do with less than great wheels. What makes these guys great is the fact that they can put on almost any piece of equipment and can still skate well. Take the top golfers in the world and make them all use merely decent equipment, and they could still put up good numbers, that is one aspect of an athlete that makes them great. In NASCAR, the cars are all required to have the same equipment throughout the car; i.e. "stock car". In the NSC, it is the same idea. Level the playing field so that whoever is the best skater has the chance to win the event, all excuses aside.
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Location: Roselle Park, NJ. | Great to read what Colozzo had to say, I see this taking the sport to a new level of awareness, I really enjoy watching the events so far, that is what the sport is all about, lets just hope people love it the way we do, then the sky is the limit! Great Job guys, keep it up, and I hope people keep giving suggestions, saying what they think so this guys can make the event even better for the sport! |
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| I read all the posts and want you all to know that Joey and I diligently consider everyone’s input while growing the NSC. Although we cannot meet everyone’s expectation we are doing our best to accommodate everyone. Thank you for your suggestions.
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| Keep up the great work guys. One request, please make a replay available.....I'm sure the interest will more than pay for itself! |
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| Working on the replay now. We were up past 1 last night trying to figure out the best way to get the video to you guys. |
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| Have you guys thought about doing Derby demo bouts between races. Those teams are always looking for exposure, and it probably would not cost anything. You may have an issue with the floor if there are a lot of falls, but most of the derby track is within the spd track. Just a thought. |
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Location: Hickory nc | Miguel I will say the only complaint I really have is audio feed, I was able to hook my computer to my tv through the HDMI output and got pretty good video feed considering it was live feed, just the audio was annoying at times. But thank you for what you and joey are trying to do for our sport. |
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Location: Roanoke, Va | I agree with John, the video feed was really cool and looked great for streaming video, however the audio was a bit out of sync. During several of the interviews we could see the interviews going on, just no audio through the stream. I would also like to see maybe if possible the lighting durning the events higher. Otherwise, excellent job and keep up the good work, Im really impressed thus far. |
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Location: Austin, Texas | excelsk8 - 2010-01-24 9:48 PM
even playing field? so if you are really comfortable in matters and someone else thinks matter's suck, then how is that even playfield? also the races are in the same rink all the time, this guys are pro's they can figure out what wheel would work best for them, whoever loves the wheel that the organization provides will have an advantage. that is not an even playfield for me at all. I loved hyper when everyone loved matter, I hated them back then could not skate on them for anything. it happens to many people, pro's or not.
Also I have no clue about nascar as I have never watched it, and I only mention it as it has been mention, I think until million dollar contracts come into skating we have to make sure we grow the sport as a humble little sport, we can not have the rules nascar has, just because we like to be like nascar.
I think that if the guys racing on the same wheels did not feel like it was an even playing field then they wouldnt be racing in the NSC. My point was that some organizations have tried to bring back the numbers or get this sport main streamed but it hasnt happened yet. All Im saying is this is something new and hopefully will bring more exposure out there. Like I stated previously....if there were no restrictions, such as the wheel restrictions in the NSC, then you have the same thing that has always been there with nothing different. If we want to see the way everyone performs on their wheel of choice then that is where July, 4th will come into play. It would be very interesting to compare the results from the NSC to USARS Nationals. Will it be the wheels that make the difference? Only time will tell. |
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Location: Albany, Leesburg, GA | TxSpeed13 - 2010-01-27 8:55 PM
If we want to see the way everyone performs on their wheel of choice then that is where July, 4th will come into play. It would be very interesting to compare the results from the NSC to USARS Nationals. Will it be the wheels that make the difference? Only time will tell.
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