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| I was just curious as to have the World Team coaches been picked? Didn't know if this was stated in the past and I missed it or if they will be choosing them sometime soon?
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Location: east coast | great!!!!!! team selection is in less then 30 days. i am sure other countries have waited this long also right? |
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Location: Atlanta GA | Jeff, dont you know, tryouts are for the skaters and the coaches? LOL
In all seriousness though, IMO (even though its less than 2 cents), thee coaches should be picked and announced around jan/feb so that they can be talking and communicating to the 8-10 top skaters in each selection. This would make sure that the US is in top notch shape for worlds, and would bring our game up jsut a little bit I think. If the top 8 skaters are getting a call or email every few weeks jsut to answer questions, and make sure there training is on point, then that will make the next 10 behind them WANT to be the ones that are getting the attention from coaches. Thsi in turn would make everyone work a little harder during the year.
I also think that the coaches should be at most major races to evaluate adn tak to all the skaters throughout the year. If someone is goofing off and messing around, the coach will be able to see that. I also think that the coaches should be totally involved in the USARS program, and be a respectiable coach that is looked up to by all.
of course, this is how I would do it.. I know USARS has there own way of doing stuff.. |
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Location: east coast | jimmy now that would make to much sense don't you think? |
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Location: GA | It was my understanding at Nationals there were some of the coaches that were chosen that had back out for their own personal reason and the UASRS office was to put an application on the web site for those coaches that might be interested in those position. I just looked on the web site and as of 6:30 est. there was no application on the site yet. I too would like to know who the position are going to as hopefully my son will make the JR World Team and have a need to know who I will be leaving my child in the hands of. Columbia is a long way away and there is a need to know for all of us. Please National office let us know. Outdoor try outs are 17 days away and I guess it will be announced there but who knows. Also there was a recommendation that the Speed Committee nominates and selects the World Team staff by Jan 15th of each year so the Executive Committee can confirm those choices in Feb at their annual meeting. Hope that recommendation passes for the future of the World Teams. |
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Location: Fort Pierce, FL | Pardon my ignorance on this subject but......don't the "chosen ones" have to spend 3 weeks or so at residency and the 2 more or so at Worlds???? I can only imagine that the pool of qualified individuals able to be away from home and jobs for that length of time must be quite small. ALSO....they are not paid are they???? Only per diem and expenses??? I don't know, I'm just asking. Although I do not consider myself even slightly qualified for the position I, like I'm sure many others, have a job and a business. How could anyone who is not either unemployed or independantly wealthy even consider this position? Just a question I was contemplating today. |
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Location: CA | How about all the coaches get together, go to BACK to Lincoln and have an emergency vote regarding the confidence they have in the boards ability to govern this sport! I have a feeling the turnout would be tremendous, it would not take but a minute and a vote of NO Confidence would be the outcome. OR Just let whoever can take the time off fly on down there to Colombia to watch the skaters race, give them some bottled water and pat them on the backs when done. They can say nice job, we'll get em' next time and winning is not the only thing that matters. It's the experience that counts. GO USA! |
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Location: Pennsylvania | As an athlete that will hopefully be fortunate enough to make another world team it would be nice to know who is the coach. But at the same time it doesn't make that much difference if I find out today or if I find out at residency. The coach of the world team does not make or break a skater. The athletes that qualify for the world team are who they are plain and simple. The coach will have very little impact on the speed and conditioning of the athletes. It is their responsibility to be ready for everything and anything. The two or three weeks of training that the team gets together is mostly fine tuning. If you are out of shape it won't change in that time period. A hard worker will work hard for anyone. Someone who doesn't practice and just has the gift to race fast will do that too no matter who is the coach.
But it is different if you are a parent of a potential Jr. World Team member and I completely understand that side of the argument and wanting to know who you will be leaving your child with especially if it is their first time out of the country alone. |
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Location: CA | Keith, I wish you good luck on making the team again. Everything you said in your first paragraph is very troubling, and something that must be fixed if the USA wants to keep pace with the rest of the world. What Jimmy suggested would be a good place to start. |
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Location: Lincoln, Nebraska | Just asking.... but does anybody know how the World Class Ice Speed skating program(s) work with regard to coaches and World events? What types of events do they hold that would compare to inline Worlds? How do they handle coaching? Where do they get their money? Just curious. |
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| Their are national team coaches that are appointed. I believe these coaches are their until they have dissapointed the board to the point that they get the boot, or until the board can no longer afford the coaches services. The national team coaches train the national team skaters, who are selected throughout the season with the american cup series. The national team skaters have to move to Salt Lake to accept their funding and the coaching, if they are not willing to move, then the next skater in line gets the spot, so on and so forth. The national team is renewed ever year through the racing series. The long track world team is selected at world team try outs, which are normally in october and december. The skaters who make the team in october skate the first round of world cups. The national team coaches are the coaches that travel with the team to the events. In december, the skaters have to try out again to skate the second round of world cups. Once again, the national team coaches go with the skaters to these events. For short track, I believe their are only one set of world team try outs which usually occur in september or october. Again, the national team coaches travel with the skaters who make the team to the events.
The main difference is that the national team coaches on ice are getting paid enough so that they do not need another occupation, and that they can devote all their time to their skaters.
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Location: Lincoln, Nebraska | sk8dude1388 - 2010-07-23 1:09 PM
Their are national team coaches that are appointed. I believe these coaches are their until they have dissapointed the board to the point that they get the boot, or until the board can no longer afford the coaches services. The national team coaches train the national team skaters, who are selected throughout the season with the american cup series. The national team skaters have to move to Salt Lake to accept their funding and the coaching, if they are not willing to move, then the next skater in line gets the spot, so on and so forth. The national team is renewed ever year through the racing series. The long track world team is selected at world team try outs, which are normally in october and december. The skaters who make the team in october skate the first round of world cups. The national team coaches are the coaches that travel with the team to the events. In december, the skaters have to try out again to skate the second round of world cups. Once again, the national team coaches go with the skaters to these events. For short track, I believe their are only one set of world team try outs which usually occur in september or october. Again, the national team coaches travel with the skaters who make the team to the events.
The main difference is that the national team coaches on ice are getting paid enough so that they do not need another occupation, and that they can devote all their time to their skaters.
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So, would you say skaters and coaches are primarily in the same location most of the time?
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| Ice money (national team type) comes almost exclusively from USOC, who maintains very tight control over how it's spent.
Some skaters and coaches live in Salt Lake, pretty much year around. Other skaters, including some of the best, are rarely in Salt Lake, and get their own coaching. More than one high level coach has been dismissed because too few skaters want to skate for them.
National team type skaters generally train hard several hours per day, like 6 days/week, mostly year-around, I think.
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| The US ice coaches aren't paid all that much compared to some of the other countries! That's why some of our coaches over the years have left to go coach another country because of the money. Also another problem is that ice speedskating usually only gets press coverage here in the US once every 4 years! |
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| Magician's right, on both points. What I said about money source is true now, when money is tight. But in better times, much ice money has come from commercial sponsors, USA and foreign. |
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| Most of the Olympic team lived and trained in Salt Lake before the games. Many people do not realize, that though many coaches and people said that Shani trained in Milwaukee full time, but he was primarily in Salt Lake training with the short track national team for most of the season before the games. The entire short track team lived in Salt Lake, 1 sprinter was from Milwaukee, and I believe their were 4 all arounders from Milwaukee. So to say that their are not many top notch skaters in Salt Lake would be wrong. The coach you are speaking of was offered other job oppurtunities, including a sprint national team coaching position, but declined so that he could move onto other things he was seeking out of life. Many of the all-rounders that live in Milwaukee choose to skate their because for most it is home for them. They grew up with the oval in their back yard, and for many, asking them to move away from home is too much. So yes, most of the skaters and all of the national team coaches are in the same place at the same time. As of right now, USS is solely relying on the money coming from USOC, as Jim said. In the past, however, and hopefully in the future, money has also came in from outside sponsors.
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Location: GA | Mr. SOS 18 Keith, I would like to see the World Team Coaches more involved with the team long before residence. If we as a country want to move forward and get back on top so some day we can justify an Olympic bid there must be changes in our system. If we start to set up a training program that could be sent out to the applicants and the coaches of those skater that we knew who has sign up for the try outs in Colorado Springs and get them on that program so maybe they would be in shape and have some idea of what to expect there. After making the team another more stringent program should be available for those skaters and their coaches so when they do come to residence they are in their best skating shape. It makes no sense to try to get those skaters in top shape in two weeks and then go to Worlds dead from skating so hard in the Colorado. It is my opinion that if we make ourselves available for the world to see then we may make progress in the world of the Olympic (which should be our goals not only for the skater but also rink operators, USA Roller Sports and skating in general). When we were in China, 37 countries were represented, Spain 58 countries. Let us pick up the ball and skate with it and bring our sport to the forefront. I would like to see our 8 wheels advance instead of the ice federation taking our star players. Not to blame the stars because that is the way to the top as of now but if we had a program that would elevate skating and find the money source then the sky is the limit. This is for sure only MY opinion and please takes it as that. Thank you for allowing me to rant on. We were talking the World Team Coaches for inline on this thread and I wish them good health and wisdom for those who will be chosen. |
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| Good ideas, Mr. B., and others, and ideas which have been implemented somewhat, this year and in past years. Many/most skaters who are in Jimmy's "8-10 top" have been working for months with coaches who will be, or have been World Team coaches, or similar, or skaters who have successfully skated worlds and have good coaching skills. In some cases they are the home coaches, in some cases skaters travel for coaching, and in some cases coaches email(ed) programs to skaters and frequently consult(ed) with them regarding progress via phone. These programs/trainings are often specific for each skater and their abilities/needs/goals. Actually, such training is available to any serious skater, although it may require leaving home for a while and/or strictly following a rigid program with no-one to motivate you. |
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Location: GA | Are we talking ice again Jim???? Inline please |
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| I am talking inline. Many skaters, over the years, have traveled to train with Renee H., some for a week or so several times per year, some, like Emily Scott and Sutters have moved there for the training. I know of a large Wisconsin skating family who, a few years ago, got training from a Georga coach/team, and another, Michigan, skater (who won the Chicago inline marathon a couple of hours ago) who worked with a different Georgia team, and made the inline world team. I trained last weekend with 4 NC inliners, and 5 from Michigan, who came to the Wisconsin banked track to train for Outdoor Nationals, with a very qualified coach, at a camp that was open to anyone. A Chicago inliner is now training in PA, for Outdoor Nationals. I'm sure there are others; these are ones I know of personally, and think of at the moment. The point is that skaters who want training from coaches who are best for them can/do travel to get it (and it needn't be expensive).
I also know specifically of a very respected inline coach who emailed weekly training instructions to two different skaters two different years, and consulted often with them via phone, and coached at ODN. I'm sure there are others that I wasn't persoanally involved with.
(And, of course, a good number of the "8-10" top, over the years, have had home coaches who were world team, or well qualified to be.)
I sincerely believe that any inline skater who is in the "8-10" top, or close to that, and who seriously wants to learn, can talk with a few of the world team level coaches at Nationals, or elsewhere, and find a coach who is willing to do a remote program for/with them. That's if the home coach is willing to accept such an arrangement. And if the skater consistently does the assigned drills and maintanins candid communication with the remote coach. I'm willing to help put together such links.
Having designated World Team coaches involved with skaters througout the year would be good, perhaps ideal. But in our imperfect world, motivated skaters can largely compensate for the lack of such involvement. And I believe that most people who are successful in life are so because they have overcome handicaps that were game-enders for others. |
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Location: CA | Quick question, do any of these coaches have any professional training in exercise physiology or strength and conditioning? Maybe if our World Team members had the same access to lab testing and scientific training programs based on those tests we would see a rise in performance level. Since we are basically a farm system for US speed skating now, maybe we should hit them up for such access... |
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| All USARS coaches are invited to a training program at USOC on August 6. It's free, offered by USOC. One topic is "Strength and Conditioning"; there are 5 other similar topics. Instructors are professionals in their specialty, among the very the best in the country.
However, I don't remember any USA skating coach claiming to have significant professional training, and only two from other countries. And I don't remember highly successful coaches in any sport saying that such training was a factor in their success. I expect that if a few highly successful coaches in any sport show that specific training is a key to success, then other coaches would use such training. The USOC training is important, a big help, but probably not going to make a great difference.
I'm not aware of significant "lab testing and scientific training programs based on these tests" used by US Speedskating. If anything, it would probably be from USOC.
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| Maybe not tests in a lab, but VO2 max tests, lactate profiling tests, wind gate testing (power output, watts per pound), oxygen saturation, resting metabolic rate, body fat tests, and others are all used by us speed skating every month or so.
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| Good point, I believe many of those tests are available at various places across the country, used by athletes in various sports, so are available to any inline skater. |
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Location: CA | Those are all the tests I was referring too, yes....my apologies for being generic with my terminology.
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Location: east coast | free? really, if you have the extra time. why not have it in the middle when everybody can attend? like on the rain day.
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| OK, it's free to the extent that there's no charge.
I expect the rain day is a possibility, if there's not schedule conflicts with the key USOC staff putting it on. Too late to reschedule this year, but perhaps something for coaches to discuss, if there's a solid consensus for the rain day, that could be considered for next year. Of course, then there'd be problems if there was racing on the rain day. And I think some coaches value that day for team R&R. |
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Location: Fort Pierce, FL | You mean as opposed to those coaches who value being with their skaters on the track for their first practice day????? We've been telling them for years that having this conference during the practice time is ridiculous.
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Location: GA | something seems back ward here. Rain day sounds real good and I know it has been mention before. We can only take so many day off from work as it is. |
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| We could be gambling if we did the coaches conference on the rain day, if we had to use the day for competition... I know we are not only trying to balance our schedules but they are also working with the schedules of the instructors too... What might be a better option for up coming years is to spread it out over the 3 practice days before and after lunch. That way the coaches would still have the opportunity to be at the track in the mornings and afternoon. They could also look at doing night sessions. |
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Location: Fort Pierce, FL | If it could be done it would be perfect. this idea was also presented years ago as an alternative but year after year after year they do this conference on the first practice day....ALL DAY....and many times the topics are exactly the same.....I gave up trying to suggest alternatives. |
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| I just started another thread on the board about what was mentioned above on performance testing.
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Location: Orlando, Florida | Just reading this post and its a shame that one of the Most Qualified Coaches we have here in the USA was selected and is now the BELGIUM WORLD TEAM COACH, JORGE BOTERO. Jorge has a masters degree in Physical Education, Certified Personal Trainer, and in the Doctorate program for Phyical Therapy. He is a former 3 times world champion and has more medals at worlds than most people out there. Jorge is involved having a degree in Nutrition as well. Lives here in the USA and has on more than one occaision volunteered to Coach and help USA skaters. NOW, Gone.. BELGIUM coaching greats like Wouter and Bart Swiggs to beat our USA skaters. He is a USARS SC2 coach with Stardust and USA Rep for POWERSLIDE. Does Clinics all aroud the world and is respected by most skaters and coaches around the world. Any other qualification needed?
Mr. B? You have been through the apprentice program, been to worlds and coaches some of the great skaters out there and even volunteered to work with the Team, WHY ARE YOU NOT ON THE STAFF??? Questions that make you say Hmmmmmmmm... |
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